Global Punishment History

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  1. Bionic_X_Legend

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    That just aint true i was good for about a year and people still constantly called me out your just wrong
     
  2. wyattcvn123

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    as I stated up above, notready had his cleared because his older brother and I go to the same college
     
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    I think that rather than having a full punishment wipe, that some punishments could reach a point in time (perhaps a year or so) where they no longer show up. After a given period of time, punishments that are minor should be cleared. As for punishments such as per say a blacklist, this should permanently stay as they are important and do play part in defining who a player is, even if it is from far back in the past. This way older players who have minor punishments will not rack up lots of smaller punishments, but players who have bigger punishments still have the punishments in their history.
     
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  4. wyattcvn123

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    A blacklisted player shouldn't be in this conversation as a blacklisted player shouldn't get a second chance hence a blacklist and not ban, if they do get unblacklisted it would have to be a mistake to have blacklisted them or they paid off an admin right?
     
  5. Wito

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    That's the reason they gave you? Strange.

    I thought it was because you got caught stealing another player content and lost a few reports against you while your staff application was active.
     
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    Hmm, I don't agree necessarily with wiping all punishment data from every player as it rids any liability from a staff member's perspective. Another point to add is that quite a lot of the information put on infraction (punishment) history is useful information that should ideally be kept recorded. i.e: When a player is unbanned for being a sibling (after being banned for ban evading) - the information is recorded on their account. This helps staff members when deciding whether to punish or not. Bear in mind this is relevant for every player who has ever joined the network.
    As a Mod it also doesn't make me too comfortable not knowing who has punished when and what. I agree that people can change and reform, but what's happened has still happened - sure it can be forgiven, but forgotten until appropriate to bring it back up?

    As an alternative, perhaps a new infraction could be put across to every player stating "Previous infractions forgiven; punishment wipe" or similar? Just something to think about.
     
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  7. imaginationGuy20

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    does this mean i can never apply for staff cuz i'v been banned from mineheroes discord?
     
  8. MahtZ

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    No, you can still apply even if you have been punished.
     
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    Lmao kid says "can be forgiven and forgotten" that doesn't apply to every player, some players are blacklisted and apparently that can't be appealed, i don't disagree with all of this but that right there kind of amuses me when i'm one of the "1%" of players blacklisted. Not everything can be forgiven. Oh, and yes. the ******s suggesting that bans and punishments should be "erased" are hilarious. That's like "erasing" someones criminal records in real life after a set period.
     
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    I think a wipe would be a bad idea. Most mods have just 1 server that they know well. If they have to resolve a problem on another server they need that data to see if the player simply did a mistake or tries the same thing over and over again. As an example if I try to sell trip wire hooks on the ah as vote keys and I do not know that is against the rules my first punishment will show me that I did something bad. If I do that thing 5 more times I really want to scam some people.

    This server has no punishment list that tells the mod when a person does this thing mute them for so long. They have to decide what kind of punishment is worthy for the offender and what is healthy for the server.
     
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    a few blacklisted players were unblacklisted
     
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    Can confirm that this is correct information
     
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    i can double confirm because they rebanned someone when I made a big deal about it on the old forums
     
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    Triple confirming because of personal experience around being blacklisted
     
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    I think that increasing the harshness of new punishments due to the number of very old and irrelevant punishments (maybe 6+ months, depending on severity) should not be the case, but still should be taken into account when applying for staff. The old infractions would stay with the player, though but not considered when making new punishments or staff apps
     
  16. FuriousFruit

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    Quadruple confirming because of current experience of blacklist
     
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    Punishments should remain on your history for as long as you play on the server. Punishment history is useful for staff in many ways. One reason being:
    • When you apply for staff they are able to see what might have been an issue with you in the past and compare it with how you act now. They are able to see if you're just putting on a good show for staff or if you are genuine about the position.
    Think of it like this, I know it may be an extreme, but it explains the reasoning better. People in real life have committed crimes, they now have a criminal record. When an employer wishes to check their history / background they can look up / have a background check done on said person. Then it is the employers choice to decide whether or not they would like to hire said person based on their history and how they now behave.
     
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    Well then that's a gg for me folks I'll get staff in 2050
     
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    ? GOD CHURCH ?
    Hint: If you are planning to be staff one day, start by following the rules now, especially the forum ones.
     
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    I don't care who and who isn't blacklisted i don't intend to get un-blacklisted this server is the pinnacle of meme
     
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